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I made a music list for a friend, and I'm kind of lacking in classical and baroque pieces. Any suggestions?

Renaissance and Baroque:
Classical:
Romantic:
20th Century-Today: (The 20th century had a TON of crazy stuff going on including both world wars so there are a ton of categories under this)
Impressionistic:
(Sort-of?) Tonal (Kind of a wide umbrella):
Post-tonal/Atonal:
Here starts the crazier stuff of the later 20th century: DO NOT start with these. They are really weird when you first listen to them but trust me they are genius and I think you will start to love them. Also some of them seem to make more sense with a bit of explanation.
Avant-Garde (this is kind of a controversial and vague term):
Minimalistic:
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(Part 2) I'm listening to every Autechre album in chronological order. Here is my listener's guide.

Hello, if you liked this last time thank you. hope you find this enjoyable! i love being accompanied on this journey :)
Intro
Whereas this was initially an impulsive thing, it is now a long process. Post-Confield Autechre is something of a monolith, much like outer space is once you get past the nearest, closest-together planets. Narratives of artistic progression tend to break down; we're only left with the sounds.
Autechre's image is one of hermitism, inscrutability, and devotion to the abstraction of their artistic values. No press, weak titles, and no meta-textuality. That these releases increasingly occur in a sort of cultural vacuum is quite interesting, and in my opinion has positive and negative implications. It means that Autechre's music is thrillingly immersive - there truly is nothing on the planet that sounds like this.
As a listener, the experience is of tapping into a world that is progressive, adaptive, and unseen, but also manic and isolating. Autechre's music is thrillingly unseen, but it is also scarily unmanned. Or, to put it another way: do I love Autechre's music for what it is? Yes. Does it make me feel like I'm human, like I'm not alone, like I'm deserving of love? Hardly at all.
Because of this, I do not blame anyone who hopped off the train earlier. I genuinely don't. I don't blame anyone who listens to Autechre religiously either (I mean, look at me, look at what I'm doing and what it says about me), but I would issue a word of warning to those who are feeling lost, alone, or hopeless: listen to Leonard Cohen instead.
Confield 2001
In many ways, this is the first album of a new millennium.
Specifically, the interactivity here suggests the presence of some form of life that... isn't... intentional. Factually, of course that's not true - we all know that Sean Booth and Rob Brown used Max/MSP to program many of the sounds on the album. But there's enough of the unknown there to plant a seed of doubt in your mind, right?
Walking around with this in my ears, I am so disconnected from what went into making this music that I tend to forget it was made at all, but instead I begin to listen to it as a spontaneously created chain of events, a piece of music with its own primitive sense of awareness.
Naturally, the opening suite of songs is where this feeling is especially unruly. "VI Scose Poise" is an introduction to the uncanny valley that this album takes as its home; you could theoretically recreate the complexities of the soft, clattering metal rhythms by hand, but you know that this wasn't by hand, that it was the result of a series of increasingly complicated rules fed into a computer.
Interesting side note, though: Confield, while still a formidably barbarous follow-up to LP5, still has an emotional presence, one that I would describe as despairing. "Cfern", for example, starts off super buttoned-up, with triplets of drums accompanying a chromatically descending chord progression... however, this chord progression slowly starts to reveal itself as one witness to a song that is otherwise demented, slowly losing its grasp on any sense of order or consistency. Dementia, the song, basically. It's brutal. I love the end too, where the beat basically bottoms out and finds a groove, something Autechre love to work into their songs. It works as the perfect segue into...
"Pen Expers", an epic elegy for a world on its judgement day, and clearly the intended peak of this opening salvo. The loud, slapping snare drums provide the mise en scene for me - they sound so catastrophic, like the howl of ugly, nasty winds. There's a feeling of imminent doom - not imminent like "any time now," imminent like the all-consuming fear that comes over you when you stare your death in the face. If "Cfern" was dementia, then this is war. Or maybe just hell, because during the runtime of "Pen Expers", there is no respite, not til the end. Me listening to this song: picture
The mostly pitchless mutant-electro track "Sim Gishel" makes for a welcome respite from the recent drama. "Parhelic Triangle" is a tough nut to crack, with a low-impact drum/bass loop set to churn while some cavernous chimes echo out a mysterious melody. "Bine" is really cool - clearly not much to it conceptually, which allows you to rid yourself of pretense early and sink face-first into the chaos.
Indeed, after the early onslaught of "Cfern" and "Pen Expers", any catharsis Confield might be trying to give me seems to have been given, and I'm less interested in decoding meaning. Instead, I just enjoy the woozy bouncing of "Eidetic Casein" (another song with a descending chord progression, very tragedic), and the subterranean "Uviol", which has lots of watery bubbly sounds and a purple, nocturnal, after-hours sort of vibe. This leads into the album's final word, "Lentic Catachresis", which indecisively keeps switching tempos while doctored voice recordings and doomy synths set a dour tone. The indecision settles into stasis, as the song's parts are all slowly crumpled and swallowed by this one incessant processing tone. And that's it.
People say Confield is a difficult album, and it is. However, I think I was surprised by why it was difficult - it's not just the increasingly fractious algorithmic soundscapes, but ALSO the subtextual themes of decay and oblivion. (At least, that's my take on it. For the sake of my own love for the album, I decided to run with it and take liberties. Please, tell me what your unique viewpoints are!)
Autechre's Book of Revelations. Also, yes, a giant step forward in a technical sense. The songs sometimes seem to be making themselves... a very unusual feeling indeed, one which I'm sure is the reason why a lot of us are fans. In a world where any song in any style is a few controlled hand movements away, this foreign feeling is sorely missed. It's nice to feel it again.
Draft 7.30 2003
Totally wild and transportative, as you might expect. Both easier and harder to like than Confield, because it's relatively simple in comparison and doesn't seem to be too convicted about anything in particular. I'll be honest, I'm not too keen on this one - it seems like a lateral move from Confield, although the sonics are innovative as always.
Opener "Xylin Room" made a good impression on me with that massive resounding bass drum every eight beats - really cool touch. The spastic lead melody is really good too.
That hyper-compressed percussion in "6IE.CR" sounds like fried chicken. Mmm.
"V-PROC" is cool.
But the only bit on Draft 7.30 that felt adequately different - above and beyond - from other Autechre music was "Surripere", the brilliant, proggy centerpiece. More than anything, I'm intrigued by the patience of this song, the way it slowly drifts from one idea to the next. The long-resonating synthetic chords imbue the whole thing with a certain ambient color if you look at it the right way. It's the same type of alien Zen that pervades the longform worlds of NTS. And yeah, the way the song unfolds - the way the drums are left squirming, abandoned, in a void of glossy black ambience - is disquieting and truly beautiful.
Untilted 2005
Austere - minimal. Carries glimpses of the outside world, for once. There were moments while listening to this record where my head thought things like "dub techno" and "Berlin." Sometimes I even think about Aphex Twin, whose albums always give off a vibe of being so intricately, caringly constructed. That same human touch is sometimes felt while listening to Untilted.
From what I can tell, this pared-down, concept-less style indicates that the album sinks or floats on the attractiveness of its ideas at any given moment. Some are more revolutionary than others, but all ideas dispense with academics and generally aim for the gut.
"LCC" has a wonderful B-section, with a melody that comes out of nowhere and knocks you off your feet with its modesty and its grace. "Ipacial Section" is possibly even better, with a bonkers dub-gabber opening that pivots after four exhilarating minutes into a wide-open trot featuring a loose-cannon snare that echoes like artillery. Then... what the fuck happens there, about five and a half minutes in? What an audacious idea, to cut the bottom out of the song and introduce a half-time hip hop sort of rhythm. Not an uncommon thing to happen in an Autechre song, but rarely is it executed so intoxicatingly well. The final minute or so of blubbering drums is the fat at the end of the bacon - a guilty pleasure, indulgent and gross.
Little side-note: it's funny, isn't it, the idea of calling an Autechre album "minimal," like there's not much going on or something. It's a paradox - Autechre isn't minimal, but this record is minimal. This record isn't minimal, but for Autechre it is. I think that's my personal take on the title, Untilted. It's technically Untilted... but it sure looks a lot like Untitled. It's technically Untitled... but it sure looks a lot like Untilted: image
Pro Radii is cool, but I must be missing a certain something. Please let me know.
Augmatic Disport is highly interesting, the way it slowly opens up to allow the introduction of a dub drum/bass line in the seventh minute. Will keep my eye on this one.
Iera wears its heart on its sleeve, with one of Autechre's many trademarks, the rapidly accelerating and decelerating micro-rhythm. Makes for a tune that isn't by any means revolutionary, but is still a faithful reproduction of some very innovative production ideas. One of many gnarly mid-level tunes in the group's discography.
I have to say, the second side of Untilted is quite unusual - some very interesting cuts which are perhaps some of the less typical "Autechre songs" I've heard from the group. Outliers, that is. "Fermium" is really cool, with a tinny a-section whose melody reminds me of the hollowed-out horror of Wendy Carlos' soundtrack to A Clockwork Orange, which I saw recently. It's a really manic pick for melody from Autechre, something I could hear in a CAN album but not necessarily something I would expect from IDM's chief futurists. Then, the b-section... well, that's more like it. Like they took a CAN record and played pinball with it.
"The Trees" is middling - I can't decide whether it's a really interesting experiment, or just an unwelcome side dish. Regardless, it really reminds me of a more chaotic version of Topdown Dialectic, so if you like this track let me know what you think of this. As for "Sublimit"... right now, I'm of the opinion that it buckles under its own weight. Each successive section is interesting, for sure, but I'm not convinced it works as an overall piece, and I'm much more a fan of the relative economy of "Ipacial Section" and "LCC". As always, please challenge me on this.
Overall, an unusual album, one that I'd classify as part of their early-Max era along with Confield and Draft 7.30. However, it's much cleaner and lightweight than either of those records, and if I had to guess I would think that it's symptomatic of a growing desire to get away from pretenses and explore the pure fabric of sounds on Booth and Brown's part.
Bonus EPs
Along with Gantz Graf, I decided to go back to EP7 - I also tried out both Peel Sessions.
Peel Session 1999
Illustrative of one of my favorite things about Autechre's discography, which is that whether it's a primitive electro track in 1992 or an aleatoric behemoth in 2015, they're able to summon moments of beauty that are often just totally inexplicable given the limits of what they're working with. The first Peel Session was recorded in 1995, meaning this is around the time where Autechre had released their innovative product Electro 2.0, also known as IDM.
Opener "Milk DX" is simple but in a really cool way, thanks to the papery clatter of the hi hats, which I could either compare to a castanet or to the sound that a teacup makes when you place it down ever so carelessly. Throw in some milky smooth synth pads, and you've got yourself a trademark dreamy electro track.
I'm still not the biggest fan of Autechre's more blatant hip hop maneuvers, but I think "Inhake 2" strikes the perfect balance between '95 Warp's pristine melodies and a certain abstracted vocal rowdiness, somewhere between record-scratching and scatting, that is present here throughout. The blippy synth melody laid on top halfway through is the kill shot. A simple track, but it all connects.
"Drane", a beautiful track. One with a simple premise that, when repeated enough across ten-plus minutes, accumulates in effect until the weight of it inevitably pulls you from whatever else you're doing. The pressure this song continually creates and releases is a marvelous feeling. The key is truly the simultaneity of the creation and the release of pressure - that synth drone manages to convey pain and pleasure in equal measure.
"Drane" cements this EP's status to me as one of their great EPs - just like Cichli Suite or Anti, I'll remember this very rarely but always enjoy it when I do.
EP7 1999
Gave this another shot, with the benefit of Confield-given hindsight. I can see now, after subjecting myself to the conceptual slog of that brilliant album, that this EP is a valuable artefact of Autechre's early experiments with stochastic dance music, one that offers a much clearer look than the deeply depressed Confield. These are just simple bangers, and "Rpeg" is endless fun with its rub-a-dub snares and titular arpeggios - the simplest and bangeriest of them all.
Lots of novelties here too, particularly "Ccec", the closest Autechre will ever come to having a rap feature, barring what would surely be a major creative misstep in the future. "Outpt" has dusty drones set to a steady beat - naturally, it reminds me of early Gold Panda, but less whimsical.
Hard to feel too negatively about this, though: it's obvious that they're just having fun and stretching their imagination after LP5, which I infer was a much more deliberate process.
Peel Session 2 2000
Dare I say this is just as brilliant as the first one? The switch halfway through "Gelk" is ballsy, as are the prepared-piano sounds that reverberate throughout. It mostly works. "Blifil", too, is a good-but-not-great track, a screamer throughout - a sort of stochastic, very Autechrean take on "Come To Daddy"-esque deep-fried 'ardcore breaks.
"Gaekwad" is my pick of the bunch, a definite outlier in Autechre's discography which sees them playing with the plasticky, quasi-representational sounds I most commonly associate with the synthetic melodrama of Andy Stott or Dean Blunt. (Or this!) Super cool to see, and works really well paired with Autechre's melodic and timbral sensibilities. (Also, the closest to footwork I've heard from Autechre happens about two minutes in.)
"19 Headaches" is really cool, too - makes a lot of sense that they'd be making this around the time of Confield. Sounds like a better version of Lee Gamble's recent music - restrained craziness, audible in the jittery runs of the polite soprano synth lead and the ADHD tangents of the feather-light percussion.
A fantastic sequel to the first Peel Session - while that one was all about simplicity and poise, this one falls ever so slightly off the deep end.
Gantz Graf 2002
Was expecting something legendary in the title track - instead, I got a jumping-off point for what is certainly their best EP. Must be listened to as a whole 19-minute block.
I love how the shortness of "Gantz Graf" makes the sound of bit rot that occurs throughout feel like a pop chorus. What a switch-up, then, when the seamless transition into the longer "Dial." reveals the true hit single. One of the only Autechre tracks I'd feel comfortable playing in a DJ set, maybe next to a song from Joe or Nina Kraviz's label трип. Love how at the end the plastic-organ-sounding synth starts to spiral upwards directly on the beat, creating the faintest opportunity for the track to suddenly sound like it's at 80 bpm instead of 160 - the type of rhythmic elasticity that just begs to be fucked around with in a set.
And then there's "Cap.IV", which takes "Dial." and molds it into something resembling a conclusion. The beat gets a lot more rubbery, some really nice BoC-esque synths come in, and there's even a hailstorm ending of noisy percussion, a cute little backdoor reference to "Gantz Graf". I love this EP. A perfect little 19-minute adventure... an ear workout, but not too heady, just tons of pure fun.
Current ranking
  1. Confield
  2. LP5
  3. Amber
  4. Untilted
  5. Tri repetae
  6. Chiastic Slide
  7. Draft 7.30
  8. Incunabula
EPs
  1. Gantz Graf
  2. Cichlisuite
  3. Peel Session
  4. Peel Session 2
  5. Garbage
  6. Anti
  7. EP7
  8. Anvil Vapre
  9. Envane
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    5. What made you go from casual, easy listening to actively being interested in music and all it has to offer? (89 points, 116 comments)
  18. 697 points, 2 submissions: MyFactsAreWrong
    1. Radiohead have been hacked, responds by releasing 18 hours of music called "MINIDISCS [HACKED]". (488 points, 45 comments)
    2. Let's talk interesting stories behind songs. (209 points, 71 comments)
  19. 695 points, 6 submissions: blinkclyro
    1. Biggest fall from grace? (Artists who dipped in quality the biggest) (176 points, 416 comments)
    2. Music from your adolescence that have only gotten better (147 points, 110 comments)
    3. Albums you like from artists that you don't? (136 points, 209 comments)
    4. Important songs about mental health? (83 points, 94 comments)
    5. Let's Talk: Your Favourite Album Artwork (77 points, 87 comments)
    6. On Your Local Live Scene (76 points, 83 comments)
  20. 660 points, 5 submissions: WoodpeckerNo1
    1. "A classic is something everyone wants to have read and nobody wants to read." — Mark Twain (192 points, 14 comments)
    2. Finding music interesting but not enjoyable (131 points, 64 comments)
    3. Let's Talk: Listener fatigue (127 points, 27 comments)
    4. Let's talk: Album Art (106 points, 37 comments)
    5. Do you ever find yourself being really interested in an artist or band, but not enjoy them? (104 points, 132 comments)
  21. 617 points, 3 submissions: slick-06
    1. "Hounds of Love" frightens me (312 points, 43 comments)
    2. Led Zeppelin's "No Quarter" sounds ahead of its time (189 points, 107 comments)
    3. Why did The Killers' "Hot Fuss" have such mixed reviews? (116 points, 52 comments)
  22. 575 points, 5 submissions: Willco1993
    1. [list] Music that makes you nostalgic for a time that never was. (176 points, 108 comments)
    2. [list] Your favourite musical yin yang (117 points, 97 comments)
    3. Bands whose junk/periphery work is superior to their mainstream work? (106 points, 164 comments)
    4. [List] Your favourite throwaway tracks and the stories behind them (103 points, 34 comments)
    5. Religion in music: when does/doesn't it work and why? (73 points, 101 comments)
  23. 563 points, 3 submissions: AwesomeAsian
    1. What Grammy's "Album of The Year" should have been according to RateYourMusic (244 points, 108 comments)
    2. Pitchfork released their list of "The 200 Best Songs of the 2010s." What do you think of it? (222 points, 306 comments)
    3. Let's talk biases of rateyourmusic.com (97 points, 176 comments)
  24. 558 points, 4 submissions: BornUnderPunches
    1. So hip-hop got 'To Pimp a Butterfly'. Can rock music gives us an Ok Computer for this decade? Who could be up to it? (261 points, 229 comments)
    2. So I just listened to Deceit (1981) by experimental post-punk band This Heat. Holy shit. I want to talk about this. (120 points, 32 comments)
    3. Very few albums only have five star songs. Where should weaker tracks be placed for minimum negative impact on the listening experience? (101 points, 74 comments)
    4. Let's talk: Tame Impala's new song "Let It Happen" and hints of a new poppy direction (76 points, 99 comments)
  25. 540 points, 4 submissions: zimplezample
    1. What are some interviews with musicians that you think everyone should see? (185 points, 91 comments)
    2. Let’s Talk: If I start to get the feeling that an entire genre sucks, I immediately try to remember that it’s far more likely that I’m just being close-minded. (178 points, 71 comments)
    3. Let’s Talk: Albums which have a special/unique tone or production quality. (100 points, 93 comments)
    4. What’s the oldest piece of music that you love? (77 points, 76 comments)
  26. 519 points, 3 submissions: Aiden_Fox
    1. Let's Talk: Trip-Hop. How would you define its boundaries? Is it a genre, a style, or something else? Is it still viable? (191 points, 63 comments)
    2. What super-obscure artist (say, fewer than 1,000 monthly Spotify listeners, or no songs with >20,000 plays) should we all hear at least once? And what makes them so special? (186 points, 145 comments)
    3. Let's Talk: "Escape Room," the genre-by-algorithm that may or may not exist (142 points, 62 comments)
  27. 508 points, 3 submissions: Saint_Stephen420
    1. Hot Take: Tina Weymouth is one of the greatest Bass players of all time and is undeservedly overshadowed by David Byrne's eccentricity. (238 points, 56 comments)
    2. [list] What are some songs that you feel are an artist at their most desperate? (178 points, 96 comments)
    3. Would the music of Joy Division be held in high regard if Ian Curtis hadn't killed himself? (92 points, 45 comments)
  28. 503 points, 3 submissions: Robert_de_Saint_Loup
    1. How do bands legally break up? (177 points, 52 comments)
    2. I love Queen but I'm disappointed in Roger Taylor and Brian May (169 points, 151 comments)
    3. How come Nick Cave never really made it big in the US? (157 points, 78 comments)
  29. 467 points, 3 submissions: Pineapple__Jews
    1. Why hasn't R.E.M. been embraced by a new generation like so many of the 80s and 90s college/indie bands? (210 points, 180 comments)
    2. Why did so many 60s and 70s icons have a terrible run of albums in the 80s before making comebacks in later decades? (164 points, 110 comments)
    3. I grew up knowing every Beatles song. Then, in my 20s, I realized I missed one. With now more developed tastes, I could objectively listen to it without all the memories behind it. Has anything similar happened to you? What were your thoughts and did it cause you to reevaluate the artist in any way? (93 points, 67 comments)
  30. 467 points, 3 submissions: thewalkindude
    1. Lets talk bad music vs music not for you. (196 points, 112 comments)
    2. Stockholm syndrome for songs. Is it real? (146 points, 57 comments)
    3. How did your teen years influence your taste in music? (125 points, 103 comments)
  31. 451 points, 3 submissions: Rutabegapudding
    1. Beethoven, "lo-fi", and absence in music recording (218 points, 45 comments)
    2. Let's talk: "Toto- Africa (playing in an empty shopping centre)" (131 points, 42 comments)
    3. Let's Talk : SOPHIE and Oil of Every Pearl's Un-Insides (102 points, 36 comments)
  32. 439 points, 3 submissions: GenSurgKidA
    1. What do you think about the concept of the musical "Goldilocks Zone" (the small area of overlap between accessibility and experimentation)? (180 points, 100 comments)
    2. People who worship Dad Rock (164 points, 318 comments)
    3. [list] Artists that have crossover appeal with people who don’t typically listen to that genre (95 points, 105 comments)
  33. 421 points, 1 submission: Uptomyknees
    1. Hi, I'm Max Landis and I wrote a 150 page essay on the hidden connections in the music of Carly Rae Jepsen. (421 points, 86 comments)
  34. 416 points, 1 submission: swaghili--
    1. Can We Stop Pretending The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is Significant? (416 points, 161 comments)
  35. 402 points, 2 submissions: newplasticideas_
    1. Let's talk about albums with eerie back stories (302 points, 198 comments)
    2. [5-10-15-20-25] The Music that made your name here (100 points, 62 comments)
  36. 402 points, 1 submission: Kiss-My-Haas
    1. Just Because Music Is Complex/Difficult To Play Does Not Make It Good (402 points, 157 comments)
  37. 401 points, 2 submissions: Lipat97
    1. ALRIGHT GUYS. ITS TIME TO GO FULL MUSIC SNOB. What is your favorite pretentious album, and what about it makes your music tastes superior to everyone elses? (322 points, 166 comments)
    2. Lets Talk Bandcamp: Should we be looking for the needles in the haystack? (79 points, 62 comments)
  38. 400 points, 4 submissions: Grootdrew
    1. Mixing two very distinct genres; when has it worked and when has it really, really not worked? (132 points, 298 comments)
    2. Getting into Mac Miller for the first time. Swimming is just...damn. What other records were released shortly before / after an artist died? Did their death effect the impact or perception of that record in any way? (107 points, 68 comments)
    3. In 2015, folk artist Frank Turner released “Positive Songs for Negative People”. What other albums could accurately hold this album title? (85 points, 39 comments)
    4. What was the first record you ever bought for yourself? How do you think it influenced your lifelong taste in music - or, how has your taste changed over time since that first record? What are some cornerstone records in your development of taste? (76 points, 68 comments)
  39. 399 points, 2 submissions: MyNameisHobby
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    2. Is Rock music getting the Jazz effect? (197 points, 122 comments)
  40. 381 points, 1 submission: AJcomposer
    1. We need to get rid of the false idea that classical music is written by and for upper class people (381 points, 119 comments)
  41. 380 points, 1 submission: alexdfrtyuy
    1. Why some people are so snobby and like to think everything that is popular sucks? Brian Eno has the answer and I couldn't agree with him more. (380 points, 254 comments)
  42. 379 points, 3 submissions: SylviaNorth
    1. Do you guys have any musicians that you really admire for their instrumental ability, but their songwriting just never seems to do it for you? I also wanted to talk about the occurrence of overintellectualizing music and what that means to you, if anything at all. (165 points, 220 comments)
    2. What is the current or recently passed underground/alternative genre of music that will influence the sound of popular music in the coming years? I'd also like to generally discuss and give my thoughts on this phenomenon and how it's occurred over the past decade or so of music. (140 points, 122 comments)
    3. Are you guys concerned with and,/or saddened by the continued decrease in the appeal of learning an instrument by younger kids? (74 points, 106 comments)
  43. 371 points, 2 submissions: BalonyDanza
    1. Are punk and metal diametrically opposed to one another? (230 points, 103 comments)
    2. It feels like Australia is carrying the torch for great, stripped down indie rock. (141 points, 45 comments)
  44. 369 points, 1 submission: Squilbop
    1. Daniel Johnston mourning thread (369 points, 56 comments)
  45. 368 points, 1 submission: Fawxhox
    1. Could Trump Presidency Spell Resurgence for Punk Music? (368 points, 211 comments)
  46. 362 points, 2 submissions: DouggieMohamJones
    1. A quick response to thoughty2's "Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?" (270 points, 83 comments)
    2. Most experimental music released on a major label after 1975? (92 points, 114 comments)
  47. 360 points, 1 submission: ZealousHobbit
    1. Your Favorite Band Sucks, or, the dying breath of the Gen-X authenticity ethos (360 points, 202 comments)
  48. 356 points, 1 submission: totezhi64
    1. "What kind of music do you listen to?" (356 points, 165 comments)
  49. 354 points, 3 submissions: TyrannosaurusHives
    1. Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral at 25 (149 points, 36 comments)
    2. Let's Talk: The Demise of Weezer (113 points, 61 comments)
    3. NIN just announced their summer tour, and they're only offering tickets physically at the box office next Saturday. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? (92 points, 35 comments)
  50. 348 points, 3 submissions: pbaylis
    1. Let's Talk: Lorde's Pure Heroine 5 years later (148 points, 46 comments)
    2. Let's Talk: Kanye Wests Yeezus (111 points, 112 comments)
    3. Let's Talk: Kanye West's album "updates" (89 points, 119 comments)
  51. 333 points, 3 submissions: Rooster_Ties
    1. Let's Talk re: artists who seemed to 'evolve' the most during their careers, i.e. Miles Davis, David Bowie, probably Radiohead -- who seemed restless, or looking for new things, new sounds, etc... (155 points, 175 comments)
    2. Let's Talk: about the surprisingly substantive "What bothers you in music?" thread on /AskReddit today (almost 22K replies as of now)... (91 points, 60 comments)
    3. Why hasn't there ever been any sort of USA-based multi-artist live-music show like "Later... with Jools Holland"? Seems like a no-brainer that there ought to be (probably on PBS, though). (87 points, 25 comments)
  52. 332 points, 2 submissions: Xenotoz
    1. What are some of your favourite stories behind the recording of an album? (200 points, 135 comments)
    2. Can Billy Ray Cyrus bring "Old Town Road" back to the top? (132 points, 30 comments)
  53. 331 points, 2 submissions: bad_luck_charm
    1. Analyzing 3 of the greatest bars in rap music. (221 points, 27 comments)
    2. What have you tried to get into but failed? (110 points, 317 comments)
  54. 330 points, 2 submissions: Haggishands
    1. Let's Talk about what it takes to enjoy Trout Mask Replica (191 points, 97 comments)
    2. Post-rock and the limits of genre definition (139 points, 108 comments)
  55. 327 points, 2 submissions: Clover_North
    1. Let's Talk about Childish Gambino's new song, 'This is America' (166 points, 38 comments)
    2. What albums have helped you think about yourself differently? (161 points, 58 comments)
  56. 322 points, 3 submissions: iamquiteeccentric
    1. Brazil is an underrated country in modern music canon. (140 points, 115 comments)
    2. What is an album you want to like more than you actually do? (95 points, 286 comments)
    3. Have you ever been overwhelmed by an album or song? (87 points, 99 comments)
  57. 322 points, 2 submissions: classypedobear
    1. Let's talk Arcade Fire, "Reflektor" (237 points, 290 comments)
    2. Let's talk Pitchfork's top 50 albums of the year list (85 points, 196 comments)
  58. 320 points, 3 submissions: automator3000
    1. What's an album you LOVE far and above more than others by an artist/band, and what sets it apart? (168 points, 209 comments)
    2. Neil Young's Lonely Quest to Save Music: is he brilliant or nuts? (80 points, 74 comments)
    3. US Library of Congress; new additions to the National Recording Registry (72 points, 37 comments)
  59. 320 points, 2 submissions: Symbali
    1. Univeral Music Group (UMG) in big, big trouble over losing massive archive of master recordings. (238 points, 31 comments)
    2. Artists/bands you resent or applaud for losing/replacing its members or personnel. (82 points, 204 comments)

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A depressing realization caused by Gone Girl and Nightcrawler about the theater experience and my responsibility as a movie-goer, or: "Nervous Laughter, the Darmstadt School, and My Dating Life"

NO SPOILERS, I PROMISE
I have to finally admit that I was fooling myself for the sake of convenience. I always heard filmmakers talk about the necessity of the theater experience. They cited distractedness. That's fine for me, I turn my phone off and guarantee myself free time everytime I watch a film in my room. They cited the magnificence of seeing and hearing everything in amazing quality. That's fine for me, I have good quality speakers and my monitor is very HQ. They cited the magnificence of seeing your heroes on a big screen, larger than semi-trucks. Alright, so I can't do that, but my monitor is still pretty huge. So I have that going for me.
The point is that I saw the appeal of going to a theater, but it was small compared the appeal of being able to stream movies for pocket change if I watched them often enough, the appeal of watching from my own home, the appeal of choosing the time I watch my film, the appeal of choosing the people I'm watching with.
There was a theater at my university that solved the problems of the price and the distance of going to movies, so I watched some films there. They only really showed more "hi-falutin" films like Blue is the Warmest Color and Io e Te. I didn't see the theater experience as being necessary then, so that further solidified my opinion that these directors were just lovingly looking back on their child-hood memories of Gregory Peck's towering face in Duel in the Sun or Star Wars's opening crawl, and overemphasizing the importance of that theater experience. Some more recent films have been given the same treatment, such as Avatar or Gravity.
Well then I decided to end my hiatus from dating after a nasty breakup and a hurt and mistrustful heart. But sorry ladies of TrueFilm, very soon after my heart mended, I got a girlfriend. Well, when you get a girlfriend, you gotta get a bus pass to see her. So my radius of acceptable travel opened up anyway, and in this damned city, the only fun thing to do on a night out, sober, is see a movie.
My first theater experiences with Sarah came. First Snowpiercer. Then Boyhood and Guardians of the Galaxy. My world remained unshaken after each of these. But then my she and I decided to see Gone Girl. She had never seen a Fincher film and I had never seen Ben Affleck's penis, so it looked like a night of adventure for us both. Little did I know that I'd have my opinions challenged that night.
Gone Girl was a wonderful film, up there with Zodiac as one of Fincher's best works. I'm sure I would have come to that same conclusion if I had watched it in my room, alone... but a new element was introduced to me that night. We all know and joke about the contagiousness of yawning in groups of people who aren't even tired. We know of how panic can spread in crowds even when there's nothing to be scared of. It turns out there is something equally contagious: nervous laughter.
There were funny moments in Gone Girl. I'm sure I would have laughed at those even if I had watched the film in my room; maybe I would have even groaned happily at the corny "that's marriage" line. But when we 100+ strangers were watching some of the completely serious and, for lack of a better word, "fucked up" scenes of the movie, we all did something I didn't expect: we laughed. Not only did I not expect it, for a FACT I know I wouldn't have felt that same thing in the theaters. And we didn't laugh because anything was funny, or because the movie was bad and we were mocking it. We all laughed nervously, like scared cavemen letting everyone else know not to worry about the saber toothed tiger.
I took an uneasy feeling home that night and I've been considering it on and off. Tonight I finally watched Nightcrawler and the same thing happened. Yeah, Jakey said some funny lines, but there we all were, laughing at some of the most horrible shit imaginable. This laughing, it was something I specifically could not get without the theater experience. There it was: an emotional and artistic quality of this film that I could have potentially missed out on. I let out an exasperated sigh before writing this. "Sigh. I guess they were right. The theater experience can make a difference."
When Scorsese sheds a soulful tear thinking about his connection to the big screen, and when Star Wars nerds kissed the ground in front of the Phantom Menace, I knew those were just special examples. But this nervous laughter was something that would've changed it for everyone.
I think this disappoints me because there's no such thing as rubato in film. There is a little bit of lee-way here or there, but it's pretty obvious that there's no way that a film can allow for alteration of the experience during a performance and have that alteration be just as much a part of the artform, in context. A musician may hold a note for longer, a stage actor may change his inflection for a certain line, a video game level may be experienced in totally different ways by completionists versus speed-runners. And all those differences in experience would be a part of the artform itself.
In the 20th century, the world of art music had a bit of inner debate about a subject similar to this: aleatoric music vs. total serialism. Aleatoric music, or chance music, allows, encourages, and explores the implications of the indeterminate aspects of a performance of music. A great example of this is John Cage's "Imaginary Landscape No. 4", which was a piece of music where the only instruments were radios instructed to change to certain frequencies at a certain time. Chance music accepted the factors that affect differences between performances as part of the art itself. While total serialism is a very hard thing to explain, all you need to know is that it was formed as a sort of dogmatic idealogy from a group of musicians who attended The Darmstadt School at some point, and its many composition properties led to a style of composition that exerted total control over every aspect of music. Every note had to played at a certain volume, for a certain length, with a certain articulation. There was no room for change.
FIlms to me always seemed to me something that could not be aleatory, by their very nature. Sure maybe Andy Warhol did something or another... I guess... look I don't really wanna know more about Andy Warhol, but pretty much everyone has a conception of film as having its artistic qualities completely predetermined. Some directors like Kubrick, Lynch, and Tarantino would actually make sure theaters used projectors and speaker systems to THEIR specifications. And considering the nature of film, they had a point.
Unlike chance music, unlike video games, and unlike stage plays, I don't feel that the external factors that affect my experience with film are "elements" of the artform itself. It's just not what film is.
I've always known this about film. It disappointed me that the only time I've watched Nosferatu, I watched it with such bad music that I couldn't enjoy the experience. Or, a better example:
When I first watched Pulp Fiction, I was a kid, and the movie was on a damaged VHS tape. Now, I immediately recognized the interesting narrative and the skillfully crafted dialogue of the film, but it wasn't until revisiting the film later- as an adult, in undamaged HD quality- that I realized the quality and craft of the imaged as well. Can you imagine? I actually went my entire childhood and adolescence thinking of Pulp Fiction as the film with "a great narrative, but 'meh' visuals", obviously unaware of the film's extraordinary visuals. This failure in artistic communication was certainly not Tarantino's fault, any more than it was Philip Pullman's fault that my school library only carried a damaged, stained, and muddy copy of His Dark Materials. The differences in my experiences in both cases are just not elements of that artform.
That's how, when I conceded tonight that I could have been missing something from Gone Girl or Nightcrawler, I came to a depressing realization. It wasn't just a few isolated examples of movies seen wrong... I may have been seeing some movies wrong my entire life. Sure, not all films would be that affected by the experience. Films not particularly intended for the theater experience, like films with DVD sales in mind or films made for TV, are obviously unaffected. Also, certain films just don't have qualities where theaters are that necessary. I just saw Io e Te in a theater surrounded by strangers; I doubt my experience would've been much different if I saw it at home alone.
But what about that nervous laughter from Gone Girl and Nightcrawler? What films could have elicited things like that, films where the "more correct" way to view them was surrounded by strangers to play your emotions off of? It hit me: Psycho. Sure, I've always thought the film was pretty well made, even interesting... I guess. I even mentally noted to myself, "boy oh boy, this Bates guy sure is creepy." But how much of that film was I missing by seeing it at home alone, with no nervous laughter to overwhelm me like a yawn, none of those biological, psychological, primal elements that were just as much a part of Hitchcock's design of the film as Herman's score or the legendary iris shot? And yet I always thought the film was "pretty good" and maybe a little overrated.
Shit, I could have watched Pyscho in a better way. How many films could I have watched in that better way? How many films will I not watch in that better way from now on? It's not like I can watch every film like that. Not every film is available to play in theaters. I don't have enough money. I don't have enough energy. I don't have enough time goddamnit, I have a girlfriend.
So unlike attending a Black Keys concert, unlike sitting through a high-school performance of Death of a Salesman, and unlike playing GTA V, sometimes the responsibility lays with me if I'm not grabbed by a film. And- because I now admit that the theater experience is indeed a factor of this responsibility- I am a bit bummed.
Shit, I shoulda stayed single.
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Where do I begin? Part 4: Post-War and Minimalism

Where do I begin?

All the works listed here can be found in this spotify playlist.
This guide is designed to provide a number of accessible entry points into classical music. The term “classical music” covers a thousand years of musical history and a range of genres and styles, so to make things clearer, this list is divided by era, but there’s no need to work through it in chronological order. This list provides samples of different styles and composers, as well as some definitions and background information. Once you’ve discovered something that you like, you can explore further by looking at some of our longer lists.
Post-War (c.1945 onwards)
The post-war era saw a greater emphasis on the avant-garde, as well as further questioning of traditional forms, tonality and even the very notion of music itself. Music could now include everything from background noise to recordings of everyday sound. Instruments were pushed beyond their usual boundaries with extended techniques. Film music grew in importance. Music technology advanced, affecting the way music was created, distributed and received. Many new techniques and systems for creating music were devised to replace traditional sonata form, while traditional notation was often replaced with graphic notation.

Boulez – ...explosante-fixe...

This work combines electronic and acoustic instruments, has a prominent flute part, and is a good example of Boulez’s dense, almost cluttered style. Boulez was heavily influenced by serialism, a complex compositional system developed by Arnold Schoenberg.

Cage – Sonatas and Interludes for Prepared Piano

John Cage was as much a theorist as he was a composer, and his works are incredibly diverse as a result. These pieces demonstrate just one of his many techniques – the prepared piano, where the the strings of the instrument were attached to various objects, altering their timbre.

Carter – String Quartet No.2

Carter’s began as a neo-Classicist, but later moved towards writing dissonant, chaotic music full of complex rhythms and manipulations of tempo. In this work, each member of the quartet plays in a different style to the others, taking the idea of chamber music as a conversation amongst friends to a new extreme.

Ligeti – Atmosphères

This work is a good example of one particular post-war trend – the movement away from traditional notions of rhythm and melody towards a greater focus on pure timbre and texture.

Lutoslawski – Symphony 3

One of the best examples of Lutoslawski’s combination of traditional elements with aleatoric techniques. Parts of the piece are highly organised, while others are left to chance – individual musicians are often free to choose how and when to execute their parts.

Messiaen - Turangalîla Symphonie

A piece which demonstrates that modern music can be deeply serious without being dull. One of the most popular orchestral works of the post-war period, Turangalîla is huge, exuberant and wonderfully over-the-top.

Penderecki – Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima

A bloodcurdling scream for string orchestra - quite simply one of the most terrifying pieces of music ever written. Like Ligeti, Penderecki’s frequently created huge abstract blocks of musical texture.

Stockhausen - Kontakte

One of the best-known pieces by one of the giants of electronic and tape music. This piece consists of a dazzling barrage of drones, noises, burbling electronics and warped, unidentifiable sounds. This piece also shows Stockhausen's sensitivity to musical space - sounds hit you from every direction.
Minimalism (c.1965 onwards):
Minimalism is one of the most significant developments of recent years. Minimalism generally uses short repeated phrases, and places an emphasis on rhythm rather than melody.

Glass – Glassworks

Glassworks is an album of short, crisp and punchy pieces which give a good overview of the composer’s style. They are played with a combination of electronic and acoustic instruments.

Pärt – Cantus in Memory of Benjamin Britten

A piece written for string orchestra and bell which was influenced by religious chants and Part’s discovery of Britten’s music. It revolves around a single, elegiac theme, evoking a sense of purity.

Reich – Music for 18 Musicians

One of the most famous and popular of all minimalist works. This piece was written for voices, strings, piano, maracas, clarinets, marimbas and xylophones. It features continuous pulsing rhythms and has a warm, organic quality which contrasts strongly with Glass’s machine-like precision.
Suggestions for additions to this section are welcome.
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